Shock Wave or the Tac-12 pistols leave a bigger hole ! A doe once got a hoof caught in the top of a cyclone fence, near our property. I carry both in a Blackhawk Alaska Guide Holster in the field, and in a Galco leather CCW holster under my belt in town: since being on TV, I learned that stalkers can be just as dangerous a charging bear. The species are abundant in the state, numbering around 4,000 to 6,000 estimated creatures. An attack by a pack of feral dogs is not anything like an encounter with a single individual or a shooting competition. Buffalo bore ammo is available, very hard hitting and lethal. . They only penetrated a 1/4 of an inch, while the .357 round went through the skull and ended up about nine inches deep in the neck. Ivy. I almost needed a new clean pair of drawers. The, pucker factor has a lot to do with taking over full control of,your sight-alignment, sight-picture, breathing and trigger squeeze regardless of what you are using. My only proof of that assertion goes back 17 years when I was unkowingly walking my blind dog very near a collared grizzly sow with two cubs. More is always better and the bullet is the key. I have been carrying my 1911 or my Taurus PT-92 for years and know what each round can do as a former US Army medic. I am reminded of a survival show that aired a few years ago. A large bore hot load can be a challenge to control and difficult for multiple shots, while something like a 10mm in a good semi-auto allows for powerful rounds and multiple shots rapidly fired on target for many. May 12, 2018. That said, a single documented 9mm kill is not exactly something I would bet on winning the bear fight every time or even most of the time. As most readers are probably aware, a cougar (aka mountain lion) attacked a couple of mountain bikers in California last month [ Outside Online News: January 9 . The 4-3-1 rule is a good rule of thumb, however, I agree with the comments about a 10mm. Please reply. In the middle of our camps we kept a ready shotgun on a small folding table so if a quick exit from the tents was called for, everyone at least know where that one was. I carefully googled this story using the locationImpossible to find any story that confirms that what you said id true. I use it on my sailboat for protection in the Bahamas, to take out boat engines. Ultimately, some gun is better than no gun, and too much gun that youre unable to get proficient with is a problem. This is why I prefer my .460 Roland it has compensator for better follow on second shot. Oaf, that was funny! May 24, 2022 Alexis. Methinks your anti-Judge/Governor bias is showing. I would have no reservation about using it on a mountain lion. Question whats your life worth to you. 1. Surprisingly, I had to shoot it THREE times in the head, from INCHES away before it died. Live in Alaska. I love packing iron, but in a 44 mag, 300 grain load minimum for bigger critters. You should first attempt to fire a warning shot to scare off the lion before it attacks. Lions are very powerful and usually kill large animals, such as deer and elk. a lot of hunting forums ive read recommend at least .357 for the wilderness and thats the bare minimum for small to somewhat medium game/predators. The 357 mag is much better then the 40S&W as well. 99% of surviving a bear attack is having the brass to stand steady enough to make a good shot. Its jackass. What? Until just a few few years ago, the largest bear ever killed was by a young girl in Alaska. the 45 Colt has the advantage. He agreed the animal was huge. having confidence in your weapon. Having to cock it every time I shoot. You have been reading to many comic books. The .45 Colt has long been my favorite cartridge in the Blackhawk. Until its needed. A powerful handgun with a tough, deep penetrating bullet is the key. On my next trip I will get a gun with a 4 barrel!! Leave bear territory, do a quick mag switch and your back to the right rounds for CCW. A mountain lion has slaughtered 27 lambs on a farm in Northern California but did not eat a single one. This was a glaring example of surprise; this area, while remote, rugged and wooded, wasnt known for its bear population, very few had ever been seen there, but that one bear had my employees undivided attention. I mostly use single action pistols in 44 Mag, 45 colt, 454 casull, and a Bowen 475 Linebaugh that is my favorite. The bfr is very easy shooting postal and extremely accurate. If I know ahead of time that Im heading into black bear country, I like to carry my big handgun: a Ruger Blackhawk, chambered in .45 Colt, stainless finish with a 7 -inch barrel. Very interesting. Will a 9mm or 38 spl kill a bear? had the game warden not had his .357 Magnum holstered on his person the Grizzly Youre 100% correct. Now he is a sports talk radio host for 104.3 the Fan . The examination of the animal, believed to be about 3 years old, suggests it was an opportunistic predator and not starving because deer, its natural prey, had been over-hunted, as . It will drive a 300-grain bullet to over 1,600 fps. Told me to that towards evening they made Camp during Daylight Hours. A neighbor, 1/2 mile away lost some pheasants to one. Ive chronoed this load at 1325fps, its kickass on Elk. Hell I wish someone would make a wheel gun for the 416 rem mag. Supposedly it will go through armor vests, 1.5 inches of steel, etc. Buy .357 magnum at the minimum. They will stalk you like one of their prey animals and have no problem catching/ambushing large four legged moose and caribou. Humans travel about 21MPH tops.. Bears.. 35mph.. Pretty cool! If the attacking bear is perfectly downwind, you will have some chance with bear spray. That combo gets exceptional penetration you just have to have a revolver that can handle it like that the Ruger, Freedom Arms, etc. By Mary Forgione. Although, for me, the closest I want to get to a rattler is a 44 mag snake load, preferably my Judge in .410 7 shot. vermin such as raccoon, skunk, possum, etc. Just as with dangerous game rifles, using a cartridge that is too big to allow for proper shot placement isnt a wise idea; shot placement is everything. Too many horses, the federal government says, are crowding the scraps of . Federal, If I gotta shoot something that wants to eat me ! He ran to get the gun, and when the animal started to investigate whether P.J.s head was bite-sized, Smith told him to shoot the animal, which he did with one extremely well-placed shot. I agree, whatever you have at the moment, is the best choice. Mountain lions will usually stay within their own habitats and hunt for their own food sources. It is likely this mountain lion killed the lambs as they are readily available. Mountain lions are apex predators with the ability to kill elk, mule deer, and coyotes with ease - but they aren't usually aggressive toward hikers and their dogs. Dont immediately dismiss bear spray from consideration. Ill take the capacity of an auto loader in 45 Super, 10mm or Rowland any day. Agreed. Outdoors. His wife left Houston shortly after he passed. Hard cast bullet are the best for bear defense, they will penetrate like nothing else out there. Mountain Lions have been known to take out horses, cattle, sheep . I stopped the pickup and as it went down the incline one shot hit the abdominal cavity and another between the shoulder blades, it crawled about two feet and died. He killed the first recorded Texas alligator attack on a man on land EVER! If you put a 6.25 inch barrel on the glock 20 it is very capable of stopping most large animals. A brown bears a Swiss mil-spec mugger, with built-in armor all over, especially around the brain. I for one have never been bear hunting, always wanted and dreamed of going some day. There is no doubt that bigger and more powerful handguns are preferable for hunting but self protection at close range differs greatly from hunting as it requires quick, often multiple hits, from close range while under extreme stress. The entire time I was a patrol officer, 5 years, I carried a revolver. the reason to own a .38/.357 revolver. Mountain lion facts. Buffalo bore and underwood make fmj,hardcast and exteme hunter ammo. I read that several times as well. Thats a lot of lead and a lot of head ( aka, big meplat). Texas Teens Getting Carry Licenses! So is it not logical that a bear moving in your direction charging or otherwise. Its very light and handy to carry. Year later, shot a black bear same ammo, but out of a desert eagle way better results. WLN LBT even at long ranges with factory twists. Id take the 9mm any day if it was my only 2 choices, loaded with 147 flat nose +P+ from Underwood Ammo. If you are confronted by a bear, leave the deer or food and do not run as this triggers the predators instinct to charge after you as prey. Absolutely. With a 3-inch barrel and a six-shot cylinder combining for a weight of just 25 ounces, this gun was made to be both carried and shot. It was there all night and broke its leg, trying to get free. The 454 would probably be better and I did have a 500 S&W in 4 inch but as heavy as it was I figured it was easier to carry a 12 ga pump on a sling and let someone carry out the meat while I protected them. I have always heard, or read, that one should use heavy for caliber, hard cast lead bullets for bear. At the range, 3 or 4 factory rounds and Ive had enough. Little meat damage and with a WC or Semi WC will certainly do the job. A Sacramento Bee investigation revealed in 2017 that thanks to that language, Californians have killed far more mountain lions since Proposition 117 passed then they did before.. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. Sometimes I carry a .44 Magnum with 300-grain cast bullets, but never anything smaller for bear protection. I dont recall if it ran on Discovery, National Geographic or The History Channel. The grizzly and brown bears are a completely different story. But, he says, for now, money is tight and he likes his old service size S . I wouldnt recommend anything less than .44 mag or equivalent. Does Bear Spray work?.. One would shoot the bear with a 22 rimfire: often a single shot, while his partner would harpoon the bruin to prevent it sinking. I am a handgun hunter who lives in Wyoming and hunts the Beartooth. Most glocks can be purchased for about 600 dollars. Any thoughts on this combo for bear country? Most of the revolvers mentioned in this article are double action. All silliness aside, this illustrates a challenge for a woods gun. Its been years since Ive regularly shot revolvers. I saw one 200 yards from my home while deer hunting several years ago. ( Watch a Florida panther pass . The .45 Colt (L) and .454 Casull (R). Theyll put down vermin, but small may not put down dangerous game. Both are excellent sidearms but leave something to be desired when confronting big game in the boonies. Those pesky day to day perils of life keep getting in the way. Flat shooting gun with a lifetime warranty. The Hodgden #25 manual does show loads for a 200-grain bullet using HS6, Trap100 and HP38 powders. The Complicated Truth About Mountain Lion Encroachment. the sidearm nicely supplements the rifle, as a companion piece. 8. I just wander where his Pistol and the rigging went to. Redhawk in double action may give the shooter a vital split second advantage. While attempting to release the Grizzly an accident occurred with the bear on top of The lion ignored the adults in the group and went right for the children. When a bear is facing you even if you penetrate the meat and skull, the skull is angled flat so the bullet would probably ricochet rather than penetrate. You can keep the Roland! Something I doubt the 500 or 460 blunderbuss allows. I heard that some hikers on Mt. If I cant do it with that then I guess I was destined to lose that fight. You arent arent going to get to reload and the targets are moving really fast. A bear will cover 50 yards in less than 2 seconds in a charge. I call BS. The cartridge will push a 180-grain bullet to a respectable 1,300 fps, and that little Kimber has a lot to offer. He saw a seasoned Ranger carry the same rigging and said that was good enough for Him. That being said i would still rather has a single action 44 mag or 45 colt than a 9mm for bear defenseanyday! No HPs! Inside the house, condo, apartment, or indoors such should The .454 Casull is my usual choice as it provides a good balance of power with manageability. 07-11-2013, 08:10 AM. You think living in the Alaskan bush 24/7/365 for 33 years as a bear guide makes you an expert? In that vein, and considering the real vs. imaginary threat posed by bears, a familiar 9mm loaded with non-expanding bullets is a lot better than a heavy .44 or .500 you left at home or are not completely proficient with. From one Phil to another, sage advice. But, I still have the Marlin. Under normal circumstances, the lion would have returned to eat the prey. A large-bore firearm, with tons of practice in real-world scenarios, and to hell with insane local laws that prohibit mags > 15 rounds. Fortunately, another adult P.J.s uncle in the party had brought a handgun along and had left it in a vehicle that was parked nearby. There was a Professor who during the 50s and 60s working with the US Forrest Service..spent a great deal of time studying bears and bear attacks. And maybe just maybe you walk away on the top side of the ground. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. As I think about it, I very well might start doing what commenter New Continental Army suggested: carry two guns. Ive racoons hunted quite a bit and upon shooting healthy racoons they either crash dead or make as fleet of an escape as the wounds will allow. So, I got a Marlin Guide Gun in .45-70Gvt. So that information has sort of vanished.. Not your problem when facing a legitimate threat from a bear. Having read that the US Fish and Game guys carried .357 Mag in bear country, but this was in the 1970s, and I have no ides how true that was or is now, I figured 10mm S&W with hardball would do the job even better, but the hunters I hang with think that never gets old. wild berries and plums, and of course during hunting season (deer and elk for instance) Being aware that sounds and smell plays a role in a bears survival by detecting prey, keep food or harvested deer meat or other game tightly contained as it would be analogous to swimming in blood filled water with man-eating sharks. Though perhaps semi-obsolete, if not obsolete for law enforcement I use the buffalo bore +P 340 for bear loads. Self-Defense, Her reaction was the right one, experts said, no matter how risky it might have seemed. 9mm & 38? Hard cast/ full metal jacket is important in smaller calibers to at least give you penetration. No matter what anybody says, Shoemaker got lucky with that 9mm on the bear. The hollow point would probably work against you with the skull of a mountain lion. Rifle first if at all possible. It is illegal to injure or kill them. In this case, fortunately, the uncle had time to retrieve the handgun from a vehicle. With bears you keep shooting until it stops moving your survival depends on tossing allot of big, heavy lead very fast. The mountain lion will most likely attempt to tackle you and crush your skull or bite your throat. mountain lion primarily subsists on large ungulates, small mammals including porcupine, hares and rabbits, ground squirrels, and beaver may also supplement its diet. Stay safe in mountain lion country Do not hike, bike or jog alone. She hid, and downed it with one behind the ear at very close range, and followed up with five more (all the bullets she had) to make sure. Once at night on a fishing trip in the beartooths we had a grizzly fooling around out side the tent, Out I went with my trusty .475 in one hand and a flashlight in the other. A good .357 Magnum and I really like the Kimber K6s will definitely come in handy. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. The buffalo bore 350grain fmj punches through 20 pine boards on a youtube vid. I would wantShortFast out of the holster.and powerful. My resulting theory is that if you see the bear/cougar, draw your gun and do your best to avoid the encounter. It has been updated through June of 2017. In Africa the wholesale slaughter of wild game was done to make room for agriculture and the safety of the farmers many of whom blasted off their feet the entire big game population for miles around. Full power 10mm anyone? What can a .38 special kill? They have been most noted in the mountains of California but had, at one time, been found across North and South America. I saw a beautiful Blond one in Glacier Natl Park a couple of years ago. I will take it to heart and now that Ive learned the 4 3 1 rule Ill not forget it, and not fail to abide by it while in bear country, and quite probably every time Im hunting. Although lighter than what one would think of as bear protection, the authors .38 Special is extremely compact, lightweight and portable. I find it odd that people who trust autoloading pistols for protection against instantaneous violent attack by humans do not trust them for bears? Not handloading right now, so that obvious solution is not available; only factory ammo. Curious if anyone has evaluated any of the older Cold War Warsaw Pact pistols. Can some of the huge pistols work? Fortunately, I had a spare cap in my pocket. . That wouldnt do it for me. They were highly experienced survivalists. That is a political and social problem.. For actual hunting a big bear, 375 H&H; I guess I love the classics. His eyes were as wide as saucers, and he was taking strides twice as long as his normal gait would produce. If one only goes out when and where a mild breeze at most is at their back on a sunny day.. Well you get my drift. Planning to go, I figured that I didnt have the right gun for a possible bear encounter. The one time I did push these cases was to experiment with that claim, and after 5 heavy loadings, the primer pockets were very loose, but no sign of any case separation. lever action 44 mag) . load of No. He saved them both, barely, with his .338 rifle. He has spent more than a bit of time in pursuit of bears, hogs, and other game animals with a handgun, in addition to time spent in the Alaskan game fields. OMG! A black bear sow protecting a cub from your invasion of their space will have her way with you till she decides shes done. The black bears have been stopped with pistols, rifles, shotguns and once with an ax. Grizzlies make mock charges; black bear do not or thats what the experts say. Nobody sane confronts a bear with a pistol, the 480 is not perfect for the job. +P Semi-Wadcutter HP Ammo [38G] - $20.95 Or if you are really recoil sensitive these would work pretty well, non-plus p and low velocity. The range of a Mountain Lion may cover 25 to 785 square miles. Powerful but lower recoil than a .454 Casull, .460 or a .500 S&W. Something else. A 38 special? Stupidity has no limits ! What I really love I the light weight of the Blackhawk, its great in a shoulder rig. 11-02-2012, 5:06 PM. He has 158 grain, cast SWC and SJSP flat point, +P ammuntion that are showing 890 FPS muzzle velocity on the boxes. I hope those guides told you that if you fire a round, bears start coming from all directions to eat the free gut pile. Hard cast bullets at 1100 fps. Here in Upstate New York we have a very healthy black bear population, and highway sightings are quickly becoming a regular occurrence, as are the classic raids on bird feeders and garbage cans alike. Personally, I'd feel the best with a .44 mag, .45LC, or 45-70 in a Marlin carbine. A grizzly bear is a formidable foe, having no issue whatsoever proving its dominance over human beings. My wife carries an old Model 60. Id wager that Ive walked within feet of bear and cougar many times without realizing that they were there. With the exception of Mr. Shoemaker who has more experience than I will ever even hope to have bigger seems to be better. It definitely works. If not, always nice to have to many guns.. After wearing out a few S&W frames in 44mag, I switched to the short barreled Ruger Alaskan in 44mag. In the end the animals will lose as even the anti-hunting crowd will realize that dangerous animals cannot be tolerated around civilization as there is no room for both humans and dangerous animals or wild animals that destroy crops. Recoil is managable and porting helps, not like 454 casull or 460 mag, no, let me guess 500 s&w is the only option, the first pistol to come with wheels! is excellent. I am playing with a m69 Smith and Wesson 44 mag. Find where Forrest Service websites describe the various stages of Bear attacks and when to shoot in self defense. A long barrel revolver or pistol in very close quarters. He was knocked down to the ground getting mauled fending off the black bear with his left arm while he drew and fired his semi-auto point blank into the bears throat with his right. But I do reload them hot. No browns in this neck of the woods so no need for the really big bore guns. Good responses. Mountain lions are a specially protected species in California. (I have killed or watched others kill several with an ax when I was guiding. Lmaoand excellent thought below about the 454 brass trimmed down. I have a short barrel S&W 629 that Ken Kelly modified. The reverse is not true. I havent tried it, but maybe a cut down .454 case to .45 Colt length would help with that. Department spokesperson Peter Tira told LA Times: "It's been a day-to-day, hourly kind of situation. Both holsters always pack into camp with me. COME AND GET IT! Shot placement . 10 mm, the old lady behind me at checkout at Cabelas asked me why I was buying so much ammo. heat treated WFN LBT now for these situations. That long pipe makes for a heavier gun, but Im OK with that because the additional sighting distance and small velocity gain are both appreciated. They truly are amazing creatures: When you're out strolling in the woods, there's no way for you to defend yourself from a mountain lion using an air rifle. It is the gun I used in the American Hunter Challenge Video where I make five hits at seven yards in under three seconds. Deerfield, IL School Superintendent Violates Illinois Law With Gun Control Call To Action, Armed Self-Defense Chronicles: When a Detroit Doctor Defended Himself and His Family Against a Racist Mob. Like I said before , I wish someone would make a 416 Rem Mag. Of course you can imagine the hysterical reactions that suggestion creates.. Ruger, Take it from someone who has been nose to nose with many big bears by accident if youre going into bear country willingly take as big a double action revolver as you can keep all rounds in the target black. Carry the biggest gun you can for bears or charging moose. Automatic option for black bear other than a10mm that youll never carry any other time. Option to use 45 colt 454 cas and 460 mag. delivered him from a mortal fate. Mountain lions are a protected species in California. I own several Casulls, but my favorite handgun is a 5-inch, custom Freedom Arms Model 83 that Ken Kelly tricked out for me. My mountain weapon is a 458 SOCOM, semi-auto, from a 8in barrel, eotech halo-graphic, green laser and 1000 lumen light, with a 300gr lead tip hollow point. 10 mm. But if you are hiking in territories inhabited by mountain lions, they can present a serious danger. Sun, Jan 29, 2023. . If you can't gain proficiency and carry something of reasonable power level, then go with spray. Local dog hunters said lion are easy to kill and they use a 22lr pistol. Changing, yes, but then you look at the ravages of the recent volcanoes and all the CO2 released. Regardless, I draw the line at 10mm and 45 Super as my bottom 2 choices in bear country. FL). The cowboy loads are mild and fun to shoot and loaded with 300 plus grain hot loads it is very similar to a 44 mag. Colt Magnum June 7, 2018 At 19:23. Other accounts give less detail about accessing the firearm, and indicate that two shots were fired. I took my Colt .45 with a 7 barrel over, to do what needed to be done. Hell no! Exceptional combo when paired with the right revolver and load. I call those DGUs as easily as a person on person. Been involved in 2 grizz encounters. Who knows? in he he stated that no matter how big of a rifle one has in their hands, when facing something that is fully willing and capable of stomping you into a frothy little puddle of blood and hair, no matter what youve got, its still going to feel like a willow switch. On average, a mountain lion killed one deer a week. Its certainly not the lightest sidearm weighing in at just over 3 pounds, fully loaded in its holster but when Im forced to enter bear country, I have absolutely no worries. By the time I am loaded with bow, backpack, and tree stand, I am at 50 plus pounds and I am 50+. For what its worth, my 357 handloads meet the 700 ft-lbs mark too, with a 185gr hardcast doing 1350, though Im not as fast on target with it. into camp look for a meal in the ice chest. 6+1 capacity, and will group within 3 inches at 25 yds. He put his paw on his shoulder. Next Also the .454 C uses a rifle primer to handle the high pressure generated whereas the 45 Colt uses a pistol primer. courage1. With speed loaders in the hands of a competent shooter, the revolver can be reloaded almost as quickly as a pistol. .38 Special is great fun for plinking, but I would never rely on it for self defense unless I use the +P Liberty Civil Defense 50 grain out of a 4 which reportedly is at 2000 FPS. 9MM hollow points will kill anything in Texas short of a feral hog. From all I know and all Ive read, .357 may work for black bear, but a larger caliber is better. All good options. But Garrett makes a round called hammer head. Mountain lions dont have a reputation for requiring powerful firearms to put them down. To recap quickly, Phil and his husband and wife fishing clients were walking through some thick brush to approach the stream they wanted to fish, when they heard a deep woof and realized they had a bear close and angry. However many decades ago, I was a PPC competitor. If I had not shot the hog with a .44 Magnum I think it would have ended very badly. I carry either my Ruger Alasken 44 mag, or my Ruger GP 100 in 44 Special with custom loaded 255 gr. While hunting is one of my favorite pastimes, fishing and hiking are a wonderful means of spending time with friends and family and living in close proximity to both the Catskill and Adirondack mountains, there is ample opportunity for both of those activities. Its also probably a one or two shot deal, so firepower is irrelevant. ( nothin) lol. I recently read the account of a man in Oregon who survived a black bear attack. 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