Today, I would just get those to sign a waiver, if I were to audit them. Maybe you are just a willing participant to their manipulation. How about the fact that she never refers to Tayler as her daughter!! By the end of October, she said she was DONE with Scientology. This way, more trust can be built among Scientology practitioners and society which is what Scientologists must focus on, IMHO. In recent times, Tyler Tweed's death was surfed by many individuals. I highly doubt that. Mike is not sticking to a narrative like the narrative that most people who wanted the Catholic Church to stop child abuse stuck with that only focus on specific abuses, and on very specific and irrefutable evidence while leaving alone the religious aspects; but they are sticking to a narrative sort of : The church is an evil entity who doesnt believe in medicine, whose members never go see a medical doctor, and who are so brainwashed that they feel no loss when they lose their kids through Disconnection or death, and blah, blah. This makes me absolutely sad You are saying that you were taking your daughter to doctors when Scientologist dont believe in doctors she should have went to a therapist and got help when she needed it !!. Obituaries. Despite Hubbards blovations about curing mental aberrations, the church knows they do not have the solution to insanity. In fact, the year after may still be the same day. Unless your experience results in greater tolerance and compassion and wisdom for suicide survivors what good is it? Thats just part of the anti-Scientology narrative conveniently created by the anti-Scientology camp to drive home their own personal agendas. And Ill take a look at those videos, thanks! Yes, I pity this family, but they are not innocent. I used to think up to just 1-2 week ago that Rathbun had gone crazy with this fantasy of his and sort of conspiracy theory about an ASC (Anti-Scientology Cult). THEY TREAT PEOPLE WORSE THAN THE NAZIS! It is the very definition of suppression. Do you think the church really cares what treatment a Type III receives? From what i can see with my local org, the staff are hanging on to a purpose in the absence of KRC , Cant be done. Nobody does. They had Lauren Haggis on, who is a friend of Leahs family, as the vehicle to tell the story. It does appear the mother attempt to coordinate care for her daughter at some level. I remember him saying something along the line that a Cult required a leader and some form of organization, and a belief system, and that there just wasnt any coordinated effort with specific leaders to destroy the church. Well, do all mothers make some mistakes? They are quite outspoken about the barbaric psyches and the treatment of the mentally ill, yet, they will have nothing to do with the mentally ill. A lot of criticisms, but no solutions. We were trained to be able to raise above our own cases, and to keep our Acts One in (Straightwiring out the reasons why we didnt want to help a certain PC). Its the fact that they threw her out that gets me.. Just THESE links would be enough to prove my point : https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sideways-view/201505/the-anti-psychiatry-movement. Lets follow your logic with an analogy, shall we? Belief in aliens, and auditing, going clear and of course the extraterrestrial nonsense is ludicrous. Then that journalist posts that quote from you on the Internet, and a whole bunch of party-bus sociopaths start going off on that quote and ripping you to shreds for saying it. Am I really suppose to believe that all the people who have spoken up just woke up one day and decided to try and fuck this church up for no reason? He doesnt take responsibility for the fact that it was HIM the one who got them into Scn in the first place, but now he just think of them as brainwashed, mind controlled, imprisoned, and having no free will to decide on their own. Do you know a reference that says they will have nothing to do with the mentally ill? And how does the Church feel about psychiatry and receiving psychiatric treatment?, Nice try, Gtsix, but I know better than to fall into the traps of rhetoric, . But what we have from BOTH sides is the dramatization of a huge Service Facsimile (You are wrong; I am totally right), that totally blind both parties from sensible communication. With adults, I think its a slippery slope to tell them what they should or should not believe in and practice. What about Scientology kids. And its ridiculous to expect the church to reform along these lines. We trust that you will find the information listed on this website to be of value to you. The girls drifted apart throughout the latter years of. She just refers to her as a troubled young woman. `Anyone who knowingly follows a man like Hubbard deserves exactly what they get. That pisses me off the most! My local AO wouldnt deliver this, instead either hat a family member, or turn it over to a field auditor. Thats why I left staff even though I continued being a Scientologist. https://tonyortega.org/2016/04/28/a-scientologist-heading-for-suicide-the-missing-tayler-tweed-facebook-postings/. For Type III, I would expect the person to get a Qual program, which may include The Introspection Rundown. Mrs. Davis was born October 10, 1943 in Madison County to the late Fred and Lillian Gosnell Tweed. Dont get me wrong, She is a GREAT artist, and she seems to be a GREAT lady. Its psychology and psychology that are not allowed-not that Im ok with that. Apparently it was a policy set by Hubbard that one needed to find out about any health issues and then get it or them taken care of before starting this course. Lauren detailed her friendship with fellow second-generation Scientologist Tayler Tweed, whom she met as a teen fresh out of the Sea Org. There is no denying that the church is guilty of many abuses even, even if some of those abuses are not exactly illegal. Does he read minds now? Janice Ann Taylor, 79, of Bowmansville, passed away on Saturday, February 25, 2023, in her home surrounded by her loving family. Our rate of success? Hypocrisy!! But, if that condition did not resolve they would seek traditional medical treatment. And unfortunately, human misery and tragedy have entertainment value. Now, a Scnist may not hold a medical doctor in the same regard as a non-Scnist, but that does not mean they do not utilize their services. The reg was flabbergasted with me but he finally said, Well if you just dont want to do it then I wont make you do it. Case in point, the DeCrescenzo lawsuit brought forced abortions to the forefront, the reaction from the church no more abortions (so Im told). Born in Burke County, NC on July 26, 1967, he was the son of the late Fred Ray Tweed and Mildred Jane Butler Tweed. How can he possibly know what is on their minds? Tayler, feeling herself worse off after her last auditing cycle and a recent break-up, refused more auditing. A LOT is based on hearsay, which at almost every court of law in the planet would be considered as inadmissible evidence, and for obvious justice reasons. Damian Milton Obituary, What was Damian Milton Cause of Death? I couldnt have said it any better, Statpush! Mental health should be under the heading of psychotherapy not under the heading of religion., It seems to me that most spiritual teachers I have come across absolutely do include psychotherapy as part of their spiritual teaching, although they might not use that term. I dont happen to resonate with that belief system, but I think its the right path for some people at this moment in their spiritual journey. Finally, someone has told the REAL story..the Church of Scientology did NOTHING to help this poor girlit cast her out. Seeking criminal convictions is not a correct path, as if after 67 years nothing criminal has been able to hold except the Snow White Operation then is very unlikely that this will ever happen in any near future. By assumptions, I meant what was presented on the episode 2 of The Aftermath season 2. I think the show wouldve been better served if it had done another story on a Sea Org related suicide because there are certainly more of them. Why do you think that Cathy Tweed is not human, just like you? It is a dangerous brain illness. He enjoyed throwing with Marshall High School Track and playing tuba in the band. The passing of Tyler Tweed has brought a lot of sadness to Tyler Tweed family, and lets pray that their mourning and agonizing end sooner. I dont know of such a policy regarding that specific case of TRs & Objectives, but I DO know about other policies (or HCOBs Hubbard Communications Office Bulletins) that requires having a physical examination and full medical checkup before being allowed to receive auditing. Obituary SARAH AND AUGUSTUS TWEED WOODMANSEE February - 15, 1987 - June 11, 2015 Sarah Michelle Tweed Woodmansee,28, and her unborn son Augustus 'Gus' Tweed Woodmandsee, passed away at home surrounded by those who loved them most. The guy is NUTS, I thought. Would you like a TV show to make an episode about you and your dead daughter without your consent, and second guess you like this to millions of people? Its the fact that they threw her out that gets me. I rest my case! But we auditors know better than to hate and punish. Search Tweed obituaries and condolences, hosted by Echovita.com. Some ppl have questioned the fact that Taylers friend was the one speaking out and I can see why. If Leah and Mike would have emphasized specific instances of Disconnection and Fair Game practices, where only factual data capable of being PROVED was shown preferably with documents, videos, etc that might have acted as enough Media pressure for the church to decide to reform a few things, even if they would do it backstage, you know, without publicly admitting to anything. So lets just stick to the kindness, love, and respect, shall we? This was around 2000 more or less. Historic Notices 0. So, to answer your question, Gtsix, about .how does the Church feel about psychiatry and receiving psychiatric treatment?, my answers to that is : The SAME way that THOUSANDS of individuals who have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with Scientology think : uncomfortable and against it, and with VALID REASONS. But there are always 2 sides of a coin, and in the show only one coin is shown, and usually their stories besides facts, also contain half-truths, generalizations, unsupported assumptions, hearsay, and faulty conclusions. And the PTS Type III declare for onlines public.. Do you think the church really cares what treatment a Type III receives? Since thats the post youre commenting on? Tayler deserved so much better! If people come to me and are not ready to abandon their fathers, mothers, wives, children, brothers, and sisters, as well as their own lives, they cannot be my disciples.. And the church would be able to survive it. I think the important baseline to keep in mind is the law. And then over 2 years later, Tony Ortega brought in a licensed family therapist, Rachel Bernstein, to psychoanalyze the quotes from Cathy Tweeds which were made the day after her daughters funeral. On Saturday, a memorial was held for her at Scientology's Hollywood Celebrity Centre as family and friends gathered to remember the attractive young woman who had been working on a career in music and acting (as Tayler DeBari). Whatever this woman says relating to how she tried to help cannot be taken seriously because she followed Hubbard.that makes her statements and response null and void.. As you say, it was the decision to air that segment using only Tony Ortegas information with no attempt to update it with anything new, or even fair, that I believe is the height of cruel emotional manipulation by Mike Rinder, Leah Remini, and the rest of the shows producers. Rights to practice your religious beliefs are legally protected in the US even though they might go against some peoples moral codes, or even the moral (not.legal) codes of of the larger culture around them. Naturopaths? Marjorie was the Owner/Operator of Asheville Pool & Patio for over 20 years, dedicating 50 years of service to the company. Are we expected to believe that in the allegedly most powerful country in the world, there is a mighty church who is guilty of many illegalities left and right, but that somehow the mighty USA government is totally incapable of doing anything about it, and for DECADES? Lila will be intered beside her husband Dan, at St. Carthagh's Cemetery, Tweed, on Saturday, November 20 at 1 PM CASSIBO: Agnes Theresa, at Belmont Long Term Care, Belleville, on October 15, 2021. But its a big stretch and a falsehood to broaden that to say the church doesnt treat the mentally ill. There are references for doing so going back to the first books, such as in Science of Survival with its Chart of Human Evaluation which specifies how to audit neurosis and psychosis. Is my post to be interpreted as that I think that ALL psychotropic drugs are harmful for the patient, and that at no moment any of them should be used to help someone? Grief Support Group Schedule . The mother has no room to talk when she let her belief structure blind her to real issues. This is part of the STANDARD policy to handle, insanity (mental illnesses), what LRH called Sources of Trouble, and physical healing. Perhaps Mike Rinders memory got blank because he went pass a misunderstood word, and now he has forgotten about the policies, haha. I am currently working on that. But theres a reason. Mike Rinder DAILY post at his blogs stories NOT related in any way (save for when an The Aftermath show is aired) to specific abuses, but mostly trying to prove to his sheeple that the church is not as big as they claim it is, how the buildings are empty, how the Volunteer Ministers really dont help anybody, etc, etc, etc, etc. Tyler is a 2016. I consider my point PROVED! And if by prove them wrong, you meant specific legal actions (like a lawsuit) against Leah, Mike, or A&E for saying things that werent true; then the same logic could be used the other way around : If the church is guilty of soooooooo many illegal actions and specifics abuses, then why (except for Snow White and the non productive of ANY evidence, FBI human trafficking investigation into Scn) hasnt ANY law enforcement agency taken the church to court? Sure. This is EXACTLY why the anti-Scientology narrative is so DANGEROUS; because it can turn good people into Fair Gamers themselves, totally neglecting the Human and civil Rights of those whose belief system they disagree with. Whereas the Aftermath program clearly had Facebook messages from Tayler asking for help, and of Cathy pushing Tayler away. James Cooper Jr. Tony Lakeith McCowin. We let them do courses, but not to get processed, until some evidence of case stability was evident. Because medical science has advanced since the publication of Science of Survival (66 years), and because these advancements save peoples lives, then it is extremely unethical even from the perspective of a Scientologist to forbid these treatments after everything else has been tried. This minister is a cult leader who ask for unquestionable obedience. The Horror! And that would be one way of reforming the abuses in Scientology, and making Scientology technology safer for Scientologists. God bless Tayler. Thats why I was a squirrel who seldom followed LRH to the letter. Now, looked at from the above clarifications, do you still feel the same way about it? If the disability is pronounced to be curable within the skill of the physical practitioner and is in actual fact a disease or illness which surrenders to contemporary physical treatment, to require the person to be so treated before Scientology processing may be undertaken;. And how does the Church feel about psychiatry and receiving psychiatric treatment? Hi Alanzo! Can they reform? Lets add it to our prayer that Tyler Tweeds family is added with more courage to tolerate Tyler Tweed loss. Carl Smith, Jr. Georgie Ann Glaser. Remove (or reform, or rehabilitate) such individual form the scenario, and sanity will find its way in again, I guarantee you that. Either way, your assertions arent factual. F) Getting the person to list her/his backlogged incomplete cycles of actions, and deciding on completing just one simple thing at a time. Why is that? Find Funeral Notices, Death Notices, Obituaries and Funeral Director services in Australia | page 1 No one organization is to blame for this. For now, we cant expect many resources from Tyler Tweeds family as they are not in the right mood to describe Tyler Tweeds death. A less loaded example of this principle is what happened with chiropractors. What Mike Rinder and Leah Remini fail to clarify in their Anti-Scientology narrative, is that LIKE MOST PEOPLE INVOLVED IN VEGETARIANISM AND NATURAL HEALTH Scientologists prefer to use natural remedies and alternative medicine (which is practiced by a PROFESSIONAL LICENSED REAL DOCTOR as they like to call them, haha) before engaging in taking medicines and using conventional methods. And in adults there are clear rights to association which can not be denied. They just want them off their lines, so they can concentrate on the able.. Ill believe that until my death. These are areas of legal vulnerability for scientology and I think they are areas where they need to reform. And Im mos def not an anti Scientologist. As far as journalism goes you getting all sides of the story Leah and Mike suck. Search here. Read Today's Notices. My step-Mom asked me last week if it was true that Scientology doesnt allow its members to use medical doctors. I mean, just today Mike posted something basically mocking all those Scientologists who at least are trying to help at the disaster at Texas. I dont have a specific with this particular case or episode, thats down to the people involved and those who felt they should have been more of an influence, or less of an influence with this story and tragedy. Yeah, Dave Luck, thats a very sad truth indeed! Shouldnt any real and caring mother, second guess herself, if her daughter felt that ending her life was the best option.? There isnt really hate involved. Its just sad that after being the first to demean her own daughter online that she now wants to cry wolf at those who criticize her for being a less than worthy mother to her own child. The only related reference I know of concerns those who have had psychiatric drugs or who have been institutionalized. Certainly, the church needs to be more compassionate in general, especially with their existing public. Please dont tell me that you have seen one half of a segment of one episode of Leah Reminis show, which repeated an article written by Tony Ortega while adding NOTHING new to it, and you think you have enough knowledge here to say Taylor was never shown any kindness. He has even been used as an expert witness in several court cases of psychiatry abuses : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Breggin, Gee, I think that David Miscavige ought to hire me as his spoke person, instead of that lawer of his, who I feel that a little training in correct public relations, would be a good thing for her to consider, . Require a physical examination from whatever practitioners of the physical healing arts may be competent and available;, 2. Maybe if she had felt more support in her own family or in her own mother, instead of being publicly criticized by the very people whom should always be on her side, she wouldnt have taken such drastic measures. He was a life member for more than 74 years with the Americus Hose Company, Bloody Third Ward. It is the narrative of blame, destroy, and stereotyping others, and the attempt to make believe that some specific instances represent the attitudes of ALL Scientologists, that makes it wrong. Tyler Tweeds family and friends are in deep grief, and lets pray for them to receive peace. In recent times, Tyler Tweeds death was surfed by many individuals. Date of Death or Service Mar 5, 2023 . You seem to know that if they only did what YOU wanted them to do that Taylor would be alive today. Most Scnists I know (knew), would initially seek natural treatments (e.g. And if the narrative of the program was not, Scientology need to be stopped and destroyed which IS the one theyve been using even if not in those words but instead a plea for reformation for the greater good, we might have gotten somewhere in terms of reformation. Can you really look in the mirror and say you did everything you could (breaking the bank/spending money is one of the easiest things to do by the way because it is putting the responsibility of the real work onto others). Fair enough? But of course, the current anti-Scientology narrative used by haters and by uninformed individuals to help their OWN personal agendas, disseminate a false perception brought about by the Media show. I can sympathize with trying to use ones frame of reference to help their kid. With that being said, let's further investigate the truth and . The tax exemption could be either revoked or revised, and a fair payment plan could be allowed for any past payments required as a result of such a revocation or revision. Ill check that out too. Because people like you who come on to blogs to post anonymously to trash a mother whose daughter committed suicide dont really get things like this, no matter what you say to them. I think it was before I was to start onTRs and Objectives. She was 27. AGAIN Claire, you sre ASSUMING that just because a THIRD PARTY who has ABSOLUTELY no personal knowledge of such events but mostly through hearsay not backed up by ANY texts of FB posts, ANYTHING is saying so. Still, I had multiple prescriptions and two surgeries when I was in CofS. And the lack of compassion of publicly exposing the members of the church to big loses that they had gone through, just so that Mike and Leah can support their own specific agendas. But in any event, the world is full of false beliefs. I dont know about you, but for me, that sounds more like one of those conspiracy theories that people LOVE to hold on to, to ease their boredom. Hence, we both probably have our bias. Really? This video only strengthens the anti-scientology/cult dialogue, as it is cold, calculated, and defensive. Your baby girl of 27 years killed herself and you're "at peace" with it 72 hours after she leaves this earth forever? To each their own on their belief system, but many things about this church dont sit well with me. Even to go so far to say (paraphrase), If the body is sick, force it to dig a ditch. Obituaries can vary in the amount of information they contain, but many of them are genealogical goldmines, including information such as: names, dates, place of birth and death, marriage information, and family relationships. Do you really know that to say this and to second-guess a mother who lost her daughter suicide? The suicide rate among young adults and teens has been growing over the past few decades. She never returned to the church. Pseudoscientists in Scientology? Why? Is that an habit of yours to believe in everything you see presented in a TV show, even when no actual facts are presented? This whole video reeks like a ad misericordiam, the logical fallacy that because someone should be pitied, theyre innocent. That they were independent minds working independently of each other. He often would refer to the body as a second class citizen, or imply it was a trap; that you need to grab it by the scruff of the neck and take charge. Way to absolutely avoid the question.. Will they reform? Have you ever seen a suicide survivor have a show done about her that blames her for her daughters suicide to millions of people? She doesnt stand a chance. Dont you know that I like to feel certain about things? I went in GREAT details EXACTLY quoting from the that episode all the parts where Leah, Mike, and Lauren BLAMED Cathy Tayler for the death of her daughter without showing one IOTA of proof beyond HEARSAY. I agree, but perhaps she can learn the better ways. I agree with most of your points that you have discussed with Alanzo, except for the above one. I dont think so. As a struggling artist with mental illness, Tayler had relied on her parents for financial support, which she could no longer rely on. That, btw, is the key principle I believe Marty is standing up for. 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